shortly from washington will be katty kay of the bbc world news america, gwen ifill of pbs and joining us in new york is john dickerson of nbc news and slate magazine, i am glad to have all of them and we go to al hunt for an assessment of what you saw in evening. >> charlie, we saw the anti-obama tonight, and his name was joe biden, the vice president did everything the president failed to do last week. he effectively, i felt rather effectively and passionately defended most administration policies, and he also effectively criticized without malice some of the romney proposals and contradictions. >> i think aside from a few stylistic issues, programs interrupt ago few too much and smirks it was a very good night for the vice president. paul ryan clearly showed tonight that substantively he can play in the major leagues he didn't make any mistakes and held his own. >> and the president in denver last weekend, and i think joe biden really did in a very compelling way particular will i talking about the middle class, probably has a lot of democrats who were in the abyss of despair, were a l